CMEchat # 25: Publication planning for the CME profession
Thanks for joining this AM.
Our session was inspired by @KarenRoyTweets (AKA Karen Roy) and a marvelous session she ran at the 9th CBI Educational Grants Conference last week.
Here are our topics:
We’ve talked about sharing outcomes and method papers as a professional obligation, today we’ll discuss specifics. How, when, what. #CMEchat
T1: What should the CME profession being sharing (publishing) – needs? methods? best practices? failures? #CMEchat
T2. What outlets are available to the CME community to share (or publish) their outcomes? [what other resources inform your programs?] #CMEchat
T3: Are there different audiences that should have access to CME ‘outcomes’ publications…besides the CME profession? #CMEchat
T4: What skills set or competencies are needed to publish ‘scientifically sound’ outcomes studies? How do you build these skills? #CMEchat
T5: What are the biggest barriers to publishing (sharing) the various valuable lessons from your CME program? #CMEchat
T6: What is the favorite CME outcomes study that you have referenced, or learned from? Why is it important to you? #CMEchat
The discussion can be found below or downloaded HERE:
- cmeadvocate Great conversation today...thx to the few, the proud, the #CMEchat-ters
- meducate Sorry to miss everyone in Baltimore...have fun and learn! #CMEChat
- DownstateCME how to publish!RT @KarenRoytweets: - would love to hear suggestions for alliance sessions here or email me! #cmechat
- theCMEguy TOTD RT @cmeadvocate: continuum - sharing (privately) 2 disseminating (socially) 2 "publishing" (formally) - each w/ value/barriers #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @theCMEguy - but the bar that CE Measure sets seems to undermine their credibility... #CMEchat
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat in Baltimore one night only - would love to hear suggestions for alliance sessions here or email me!
- CMEChat The real impact of the #CMEchat lies in your action - engage others to participate & please take action on things your have learned! G’day!
- CMEChat As we get wrap up, please vote for the tweet of the day (#TOTD) seen during this week's #CMEchat.
- CMEChat Thx for participating in #CMEchat. Discussions herein are assumed 2 b personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.
- cmeadvocate t6 - favorite publication: Parboosingh 2011 JCEHP(social learning) or Olson 2010 Adv in Health Sci Educ (serendipitous outcomes) #CMEchat
- meducate Perhaps T6 is a difficult question because we have not been a publications-driven profession to all stakeholders #cmechat
- theCMEguy T6: I admit to finding CE Measure helpful. If I'm looking for outcomes info, it's the easiest place to find it. #CMEchat
- aCMEstory love this—it can create access to experts for critical analysis/feedback. @cmeadvocate: T1-5 - Perhaps a continuum from sharing #CMEchatâ€
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat t6 faves :anything in med lit on supported CME for value proposition. almanac to JCEHP depending on topic for personal learning
- meducate Perhaps it is up to the few, the proud the #CMEChat -ers to lead by example. We could collaborate and publish...
- cmeadvocate it's never too late! RT @KarenRoytweets: #CMEchat oops - too early for shameless plug?
- cmeadvocate t5 - once we identify the barriers than we are able to create definitive soln's for each, this is what @KarenRoytweets is doing ;-) #CMEchat
- theCMEguy @meducate I win! #CMEchat
- meducate It's never too early! RT @KarenRoytweets: #CMEchat oops - too early for shameless plug?
- theCMEguy Never too early! RT @KarenRoytweets: #CMEchat oops - too early for shameless plug?
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat oops - too early for shameless plug?
- CMEChat To frame this differently: T6: What is the favorite CME 'publication' that you have learned from? And, why is it important to you? #CMEchat
- DownstateCME T5 biggest barriers 2 publishing, lack of resources, encouragement, fear #cmechat
- cmeadvocate and maybe this chat helps you!? RT @KarenRoytweets: #CMEchat @jjuch will be 2 at alliance 2012. Myself and @YogAlicia3 leading sep sessions
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat t5 time and costs as a barrier by providers will keep us where we are - not recognized as researchers / serious about improvement
- cmeadvocate T1-5 - Perhaps a continuum from sharing (privately) 2 disseminating (socially) 2 "publishing" (formally) - each with value/barriers #CMEchat
- theCMEguy Reality RT @aCMEstory: #CMEChat resources can be impediment to publishing, but there is a fear factor w / putting it out there for scrutiny
- aCMEstory #CMEChat resources can be an impediment to publishing, but there is a fear factor w / putting it out there for scrutiny
- meducate #CMEChat T5 - There in lies the problem; we need to publish to prove that we are a profession. We need to be professionals and do it!
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat @jjuch will be 2 at alliance 2012. Myself and @YogAlicia3 leading sep sessions
- cmeadvocate t5 - this barriers question can bog things down fo sho...time and costs are real. I see this as a "professional obligation" #CMEchat
- theCMEguy T5: Are we talking publishing or sharing? #CMEchat
- jjuch BTW: I read the writeup of the chat a few weeks back and someone suggested using TweetChat. Thank you! Much easier to follow #cmechat
- theCMEguy T5: The lack of skill in writing it up #CMEchat
- rmtyner T5 #CMEchat resources -
- meducate Side note - pace of #CMEChat today pretty good! Not too fast, not too slow!
- meducate @DownstateCME #CMEChat - yup, agree totally...
- jjuch T5: time — where will it come from. #cmechat
- jjuch "T4: would love to attend a session at alliance meeting on publishing. Maybe I missed it but don't recall seeing one #cmechat"
- DownstateCME partnering is important, not all have that skill;RT @meducate: #CMEChat T4 - this type of writing takes skill plus talent #cmechat
- CMEChat Slowing down so let move on...T5: What r the biggest barriers 2 publishing (sharing) the valuable lessons from your CME program? #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate especially in Med Jrnls. grt pt. RT @aCMEstory: #CMEChat HCP interpretation of relevance to practice is critical for validation and utility
- cmeadvocate Collaboration is key, true. RT @theCMEguy: T4: Can always take this part to a collaborator with those skills. Where's @improvecme ? #CMEchat
- theCMEguy T4: Can always take this part to a collaborator with those skills. Where's @improvecme ? #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @DownstateCME - but very few supporters have any idea what they are reading or what it means in terms of +/-'s #cmechat
- theCMEguy Good job Hannibal. Where's B.A.? #Ateam MT @cmeadvocate: "love it when a plan comes together..." #CMEchat
- meducate #CMEChat T4 - This type of writing takes skill plus talent. Writing for professional audiences requires knowledge of style and format
- DownstateCME @cmeadvocate @jjuch , most supporters are now asking for outcomes #cmechat
- cmeadvocate T4 - i think @theCMEguy raised this point...the skills for scientific publication may be very different than what is available...#CMEchat
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat skills : writing (the appropriate style) and sound analysis / stats
- aCMEstory #CMEChat HCP interpretation of relevance to practice is critical for validation and utility
- cmeadvocate BTW - the conversation is playing perfectly into the scripted topics for today...."love it when a plan comes together..." #CMEchat
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat to why it worked, I would add why this is important.
- CMEChat T4: What skills set or competencies are needed to publish ‘scientifically sound’ outcomes studies? How do you build these skills? #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @theCMEguy - by scientific design and evidence-base...it must be hypothesis driven and built upon existing evidence... #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @jjuch - this is an issue for supporters -we MUST be able to discern fact from fiction and we must hold folks accountable! #cmechat
- theCMEguy @cmeadvocate I think it's that "methodologically sound" aspect that scares people from pub. How is that defined? #CMEchat
- meducate @cmeadvocate #CMEChat - my point exactly! The how and the who are nice, but the why is critical
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat T2 posters - consider at med meeting presented by faculty or participant
- cmeadvocate Tom Roth went on the say: "as for outcomes...who cares! Don't tell me what u did, tell me why it worked...that we can learn from.! #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @theCMEguy - were thy methodologically sound perhaps...but there are so few that fit this bucket... #CMEchat
- theCMEguy @jjuch I'm not sure that's such a terrible thing. #CMEchat
- meducate @theCMEguy T3 #CMEChat - we have to move the needle...we have to talk about the why as well as the what when presenting outcomes to profs
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat outcomes have a place for med audience too - can learn from others successes, pause for thought, recognize good CME
- cmeadvocate t2 - but are posters at the Alliance meeting really seen by anyone...shared...discussed. Or are the just feathers in cap? #CMEchat
- theCMEguy T3: But isn't it the outcomes that we really need to get in front of eyes other than CME #CMEchat
- meducate @cmeadvocate T3 #CMEChat - exactly; know your audiences and focus on THEIR interests and needs
- cmeadvocate @SusanBConnelly - ;-p #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate T3 - it seems to me that needs data is ripe for professional journals; methods and outcomes may belong in front of CME eyes? #CMEchat
- rmtyner @cmeadvocate is not shy RT @theCMEguy: I nominate @cmeadvocate RT @meducate: @cmeadvocate Someone has to go first.... #CMEChat
- SusanBConnelly Define unscathed ;-)RT @meducate: @cmeadvocate #CMEchat - yeah, but you seem to come through it unscathed every time
- meducate I agree! RT @KarenRoytweets: #CMEchat not everything merits a manuscript - great opportunities for posters at med meetings too!
- jjuch @rmtyner @theCMEguy Short-sighted. But we all know people who will be glad to take what others put out there, but never contribute #cmechat
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat not everything merits a manuscript - great opportunities for posters at med meetings too!
- meducate @cmeadvocate #CMEchat - yeah, but you seem to come through it unscathed every time
- theCMEguy I nominate @cmeadvocate RT @meducate: @cmeadvocate Someone has to go first.... #CMEChat
- cmeadvocate @meducate in innovation the first-mover position is key...in criticizing peers, the firs mover position is suicide (Usually me!) #CMEChat
- theCMEguy @meducate That's why I like SlideShare. It's open for anyone/everyone to comment. #CMEchat
- meducate @cmeadvocate Someone has to go first.... #CMEChat
- CMEChat T3: Are there different audiences that should have access to CME ‘outcomes’ publications…besides the CME profession? #CMEchat
- rmtyner @theCMEguy short-sided #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @meducate - IME (in my experience) the first person to post a negative comment is immediately villianized. (usually me!) #CMEChat
- theCMEguy @rmtyner Because no one wants to share. There's a connection btwn fear of sharing data and lack of CME profs on SoMe #CMEchat
- meducate #CMEChat T3 In this age of digital publication and social media, there are ways to "publish" to ensure crowd review
- cmeadvocate @meducate makes the point about medical journals as an outlet...why publish here (dff audience) & who will read it? #CMEChat
- cmeadvocate t3. like appreciate press releases of publications...see the difference? we need to ensure some semblance of crowd-review 1st. #CMEchat
- meducate #CMEChat T3 We should look at the professional medical literature. There are recent examples of CME related articles in med journals
- theCMEguy @cmeadvocate Right, my thoughts, too. Do outcomes NEED to be peer reviewed? #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @rmtyner - b/c the community is short-sighted and foolish...ahem...I mean...oh nevermind. #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate @theCMEguy - the problem is the credibility of novel platforms 4 sharing...anonymous peer-review has been accepted for soooo long. #CMEchat
- rmtyner T3 #CMEchat does anyone know why CMExhange failed?
- theCMEguy T2/3: How do people feel about putting outcomes/NA on SlideShare? #cmechat
- cmeadvocate T3 - what are novel dissemination platforms and how can we ensure 'credibility' beyond JCEHP, Almanac, and CE measures #CMEchat
- DownstateCME or vice versa RT @CommPharm: This topic is dynamic as well . Success in the past could be failure today and in the future. #cmechat
- theCMEguy @cmeadvocate I tend to think everything is too long :-) #CMEchat
- CMEChat T2. What outlets are available 2 the CME community 2 share (or publish) their outcomes? [what resources inform ur programs?] #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate Tom Roth went on to say that pubs fail for three reasons: too long, too promotion, and methodologically overstated #CMEchat
- theCMEguy True. Lots of repetition, tho. RT @cmeadvocate: T1 - let's not rain on best practices...#CMEchat
- CommPharm This topic is dynamic as well . Success in the past could be failure today and in the future. #cmechat
- meducate @cmeadvocate #CMEChat - can it be a best practice if isn't voted upon, only promoted?
- cmeadvocate T1 - let's not rain on best practices...if they move the community...problem is when these are really just snowjobs...promotion. #CMEchat
- theCMEguy VERY good! MT @jjuch: T1: some argue NAs & outcomes are proprietary but we're all spending time & resources 2 do a lot of same work #cmechat
- meducate #CMEChat T1 - We only know of individual failures; we need to learn from collective successes and failures
- meducate #CMEChat T1 - Know your audience and your venue and what you hope to get out of publishing successes or failures
- theCMEguy T1: Best practices seems to get all the pub. I'm TIRED of best practices. I want to see what DIDN't work and why! #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate early #totd. RT @jjuch: T1: some argue that NAs... are proprietary but we're all spending resources to do a lot of the same work #cmechat
- CommPharm Failures also are opportunities as well. The failure may be execution, delivery, content, KOL. Analysis by the community will help #CMECHAT
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat T1 publish all - just pick appropriate venue, audience, style.
- jjuch T1: some argue that NAs and outcomes are proprietary but we're all spending time and resources to do a lot of the same work #cmechat
- cmeadvocate But many publications will NOT accept 'negative' studies...and in CME our methods reduce liklihood even more... #CMEchat
- rmtyner T1 #CMEchat need to convince CME pros that talking about failures does not equal failure
- meducate #CMEChat T1 - Publishing failures in the context of other successes is a good strategy
- DownstateCME T1 great idea, sharing helps the whole cme community #cmechat
- cmeadvocate Tom Roth (sleep doc and editor) said: "no editor in her right mind would reject a methodologically-sound needs assessment..." #CMEchat
- theCMEguy Very underrated. Can teach a lot! RT @rmtyner: T1 #CMEchat I know that no one like to publish failures...
- cmeadvocate .@rmtyner 'they' say we learn more from failures than successes..right?. #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate The idea for this topic came from a session that @KarenRoytweets led at #CBIgrants last week...one of the best in a loooong time. #CMEchat
- theCMEguy T1: All of the above #cmechat
- SusanBConnelly T1 Edu Needs should always be published in CME, supports the whole community #CMEChat
- rmtyner T1 #CMEchat I know that no one like to publish failures... but i think that it is good to show what did not work and talk about why
- meducate #CMEChat T1 - iWe should be sharing as much as possible - needs, best practices, outcomes to help advance profession
- CMEChat T1: What should the CME profession being sharing (publishing) – needs? methods? best practices? failures? #CMEchat
- SusanBConnelly Susan here, only doing a drive by for #CMEChat today as I'm heading to #AMACME soon
- theCMEguy Ooo...foreshadowing! RT @cmeadvocate: we might also want to introduce a new meme....will see if everyone is engaged and behaving...#CMEchat
- cmeadvocate we might also want to introduce a new meme....we will see if everyone is engaged and behaving...#CMEchat
- theCMEguy Great to have you back! RT @jjuch: John joining after several weeks away #CMEchat #cmechat
- DownstateCME Edeline fm Brooklyn here #cmechat
- jjuch John joining after several weeks away #CMEchat #cmechat
- CMEChat We’ve talked about sharing outcomes & method papers as a professional obligation, today we’ll discuss specifics. How, when, what. #CMEchat
- rmtyner Welcome to #CMEchat RT @KarenRoytweets: #CMEchat Supporter on a train, by phone. Twitter novice. Publications advocate.
- cmeadvocate Looks like the regulars are tuning in...and pls welcome @KarenRoytweets ...hate for her to feel uncomfortable in #CMEchat
- CommPharm Mike here from Barrie Ontario. Staring at the sunshine, wishing for to take the afternoon off. #CMEchat
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat blushing ..
- cmeadvocate I know many folks my be in route to #AMACME...so use this time to enjoy the local wifi...and #CMEchat
- rmtyner Michelle at IND airport on my way to Task Force #CMEchat
- cmeadvocate Brian is behind the curtain...and thrilled that @KarenRoytweets has joined us...as she is our Muse this week...#CMEchat
- meducate #CMECHat Lawrence here, global provider of CME. In NY for a change!
- theCMEguy Derek in Exton, PA. Prepping to leave for #amacme. Still bitter about lack of WiFi. #cmechat
- CMEChat As with each #CMEchat the archive will be available at t.co/nOLVEvIB and archived as a pdf on www.CMEadvocate.com
- CMEChat As with each #CMEchat we will guide the convo with 3 or 4 topics, but the real learning and teaching lies in your tweets - please engage.
- CMEChat Rule 7. A few mins before the end of #CMEchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too - #makingfriends
- KarenRoytweets #CMEchat Supporter on a train, by phone. Twitter novice. Publications advocate.
- CMEChat Rule 6. On #CMEchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really. Seriously. #laughingislearning
- CMEChat Rule 5. Periodically RT questions so those outside #CMEchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too
- CMEChat Rule 4. Please remember to use the #CMEchat hashtag so all of the #CMEchat participants can follow the #CMEchat discussion!!!!
- CMEChat Rule 3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #CMEchat
- CMEChat Rule 2. [try to] stay on the #CMEchat topic. A new question will be asked every 12 min or so. If you can, include T# in related responses
- CMEChat Rules for #CMEchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here today?
- CMEChat Welcome to #CMEchat. All discussions herein are assumed to be personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.
- theCMEguy RT @CMEChat: 4 mins until #CMEchat - A Publication Plan for the CME profession - sharing best practice...and what is worthy of publication..
- CMEChat 4 mins until #CMEchat - A Publication Plan for the CME profession - sharing best practice...and what is worthy of publication...
- cmeadvocate Hope @KarenRoytweets joins #CMEchat tomorrow as we discuss a Publication Plan for the CME profession. Tomorrow 11AMET - The 'Science' of CME
- cmeadvocate Help us celebrate our Silver Jubilee - the 25th - #CMEchat takes place tomorrow 11AMET: A Publication Plan for the CME profession.
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