#CMEchat 32 - What skills are needed for (virtual) social learning?

Fast paced conversation with the #CMEchatters and generally agreed that more time was needed...but that is what the archive is for, right?

Our topics for today were as follow:

T1 - SoMe & CME require new skills for assessing credibility & reputation – how is reputation currently established & vetted w/i SoMe? #CMEchat

T2 - SoMe & CME require new skills for critical thinking – how can we teach learners to be open to but skeptical of new information? #CMEchat

T3 - SoMe & CME require new skills for filtering & curation – how would you teach those new to SoMe to use their time effectively. #CMEchat

T4 - SoMe & CME require new skills for SHARING feedback/criticism – how must ‘feedback’ be altered/refined to fit in SoMe channels? #CMEchat

T5 - SoMe & CME require new skills for RECEIVING feedback – how should those of the receiving end adapt to ‘virtual’ feedback? #CMEchat

The transcript can be reviewed below or downloaded HERE:

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BrianSMcGowan              Also pls feel free to participate in the global CME unsession being run by @meducate FRIDAY 9AMET using #4ECF. questions welcomed. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        @MedPedsDoctor Need 5 minutes to go to locker and move on to next class... #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              Yup & b/c convo usually lingers for a few... RT @MedPedsDoctor: why end the chat 10 min before end of the hour? To get in lunch? #cmechat

spelletier             #TOTD RT @katellington: T1 evidence of  rigor, public discourse, and evaluation improve credibility with #SoMe #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               QOTD (not TOTD): why end the chat 10 min before end of the hour?  To get in lunch line early? #cmechat

spelletier             @theCMEguy Me too—this was much more interesting than proofreading... #cmechat

spelletier             TOTD RT @meducate: So its like urology! MT @BrianSMcGowan: MT @spelletier: t3 ...so you can start w/ clearer stream. trust is key #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              just scratching the surface here - so much more to discuss! Thanks to all for joining and sharing! #CMEchat

theCMEguy        That went fast. So much for multitasking... #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               @BrianSMcGowan Blocking is hard, but signal-to-noise makes it hard to justify following too many, esp if interests are diff #cmechat

CMEChat             The real impact of the #CMEchat lies in your action - engage others to participate & please take action on things your have learned! G’day

theCMEguy        V. important. Annoying when people comment but don't reply to follow-up RT @BrianSMcGowan: t5 - and feel free to follow up. #CMEchat

CMEChat             As we get wrap up, please vote for the tweet of the day (#TOTD) seen during this week's #CMEchat.

CMEChat             Thx for participating in #CMEchat. discussions herein are assumed 2 b personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan Yes, followup is key. Only so far you can go before taking it offline. Gr8 things can come from this, tho #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t5 - one thing is certain escalating a misunderstanding never helps...and blocking differing opinions is counterproductive! #CMEchat

DownstateCME                agree, it all depends RT @spelletier: t5 :..Feedback taken differently depending on sources cred/rep/ur exp with that source #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               T5.  I had a 30-tweet conversation with someone about following him.  His interests: diff than mine —> no follow. #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t5 - and feel free to follow up. if someone provides comments/criticism ask them to explain it...see if there is substance therein. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        T5: @dean_jenkins is not following me. What's up with that!!! ;-) #cmechat

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan Yup. and if source is unknown, I wouldn't give much cred to the feedback (or try not to) #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              do people do this? seems to strange to me. RT @MedPedsDoctor: T5.  Do NOT take it personally if someone doesn't follow you.   #cmechat

theCMEguy        T5: Don't take it personally. Have a sense of humor. Understand limits of the medium on meaning #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              so back to T1? what if the source is unknown. ;-) RT @spelletier: t5 remember to consider the source #cmechat

spelletier             "t5 goes back to the cred question again. Feedback taken differently depending on source's cred/rep/ur exp with that source  #cmechat"

MedPedsDoctor               T5.  Do NOT take it personally if someone doesn't follow you.   #cmechat

theCMEguy        @MedPedsDoctor No, I don't think so. Write differently for different mediums. My tweets are diff than my blog writing. #cmechat

spelletier             t5 remember to consider the source #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              slightly different - but when you get feedback what skills help you digest it professionally. #CMEchat

spelletier             t5 grow a mile-thick skin #cmechat

CMEChat             T5 - SoMe & CME require new skills for RECEIVING feedback – how should those of the receiving end adapt to ‘virtual’ feedback? #CMEchat

theCMEguy        @BrianSMcGowan I agree with that. I think taking away anonymity is one step. Having a monitor is another. #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               General comment: are people's writing skills diminishing with Tw?  Maybe one's  grant "specific aims" are shorter?? #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t4 - increasingly some are using #sarcasm #IMHO or other hashtags to provide perspective to feedback...this never hurts either. #CMEchat

spelletier             t4 depends on if it's an open or closed environment, anonymous or known peers. Troll elimination can b tough #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               T3.  Is there a job description for "content curator"? #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @theCMEguy - not exactly. I mean simply disagreeing. correcting. mentoring. all can be misunderstood. #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               T4 is a difficult question.  140 char: hard to share comments without offending others, beyond saying "I disagree".  Use DM more #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t4 - virtual feedback is tough and feedback in <140 characters is frighteningly delicate - but it can be done. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        T4: So are you asking how we can eliminate trolling? #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              share success stories never hurts!  RT @MedPedsDoctor: T3.  Now I am MORE efficient, not less #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               T3.  Start slow with SoMe, pick one medium (Tw vs. FB vs. LinkedIn), build over time.  Now I am MORE efficient, not less #cmechat

CMEChat             T4 - SoMe & CME require new skills for SHARING feedback/criticism – how must ‘feedback’ be altered/refined to fit in SoMe channels? #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              like @pfanderson !!!! MT @spelletier: T3 need a new career category: content curators whose whole job is to do this help us....#cmechat

spelletier             @meducate exactly like urology (says Sue, choking with laughter!) #cmechat

rmtyner               TOTD RT @meducate: So it's like urology! MT @BrianSMcGowan: MT @spelletier: t3 ...so you can start w/ clearer stream. trust is key #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @DownstateCME - no doubt. I simply said time is 'one of the top barriers'. fear is definitely up there too... #cmechat

meducate           So it's like urology! MT @BrianSMcGowan: #TOTD MT @spelletier: t3 ...so you can start w/ clearer stream. trust is key #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               Alex Djuricich, from Indianapolis, joining late, after meeting went over.  #cmechat

spelletier             T3 OT a bit: need a new career category: content curators whose whole job is to do this for us, like super cyber librarians #cmechat

DownstateCME                disagree..i think it's fear! RT @BrianSMcGowan:T3-no matter who asks the question TIME is 1 of the top barriers to using SoMe.  #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T3 - what is the point of adding +1 or w00t to the front of a RT - or even a RT for that matter...#CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              #TOTD MT @spelletier: t3 find others who can do the initial filtering...so you can start w/ clearer stream. trust is key #cmechat

spelletier             t3 key is to find others who can do the initial filtering out of the serious dross so you can start w/ clearer stream. trust is key #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              I would think a few screen grab videos of hashtags and lists and bookmarking would be a great start...focused on #Meded #CMEchat

theCMEguy        T3: For me, it wasn't so much skill as learning the tools. tweetdeck, google reader, zite, etc, etc... #CMEchat

DownstateCME                it'a an acquired skill..RT@theCMEguy:T3:Important question as I believe lack of these "skills" is wht drives many away from SoMe... #cmechat

rmtyner               @theCMEguy in the people that i have talked to about this lately, it is about fear of something publicized by main stream media #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              tho I may scan it...or atleast it seems that way. RT @theCMEguy: T3: Don't read EVERYTHING! #cmechat

theCMEguy        T3: Don't read EVERYTHING! #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T3 - no matter who asks the question TIME is 1 of the top barriers to using SoMe. Filtering and curation can help this. surely. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        T3: Important question as I believe lack of these "skills" is what drives many away from SoMe... #CMEchat

rmtyner               T3 i think it is a matter of following those you trust at first and then walking your on path #CMEchat #mentor

BrianSMcGowan              my point is that the scientific method can be taught - tho often by trial and error you learn to look elsewhere for truth #CMEchat

rmtyner               T3 - SoMe & CME require new skills for filtering & curation – how would you teach those new to SoMe to use their time effectively. #CMEchat

CMEChat             T3 - SoMe & CME require new skills for filtering & curation – how would you teach those new to SoMe to use their time effectively. #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              critical thinking & establishing credibility r different names for the same thing = scientific method. asking the right questions. #CMEchat

mathena123       #CMEchat I think we start those skills in history class.

theCMEguy        @rmtyner Have to disagree a bit. College is where my crit thinking skills were developed. #cmechat Depends on the individual...

rmtyner               the doctoral process reprograms your thought process, that is for sure! #CMEchat RT @mathena123: @BrianSMcGowa… (cont) t.co/iXPxLaXZ

BrianSMcGowan              @mathena123 ;-) not at all what I was suggesting...but the point of a biomedical PhD is to adopt scientific method... #cmechat

spelletier             Uh oh, I may be doomed...RT @mathena123 does that means that you have to have a phd to develop critical skills? #cmechat

mathena123       @BrianSMcGowan does that means that you have to have a phd to develop critical skills? #cmechat

rmtyner               Safe travels! RT @meducate: @BrianSMcGowan #cmechat And with that I bid you adieu as I board a flight to Amsterdam

DownstateCME                T2: not always possible , some are not tech savvy...@spelletier.more cred goes to those who can back up what they say with links, #cmechat

spelletier             @theCMEguy I think so—point them toward some bad info disseminated thru SoMe and bad effects it caused-no one wants to get burned #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              #TOTD RT @rmtyner: IMO we teach critical thinking out of students! #CMEchat

meducate           @BrianSMcGowan #cmechat And with that I bid you adieu as I board a flight to Amsterdam

rmtyner               IMO we teach critical thinking out of students! #CMEchat RT @theCMEguy: T2: Can you "teach" someone to be ope… (cont) t.co/bReSEfj5

BrianSMcGowan              This is what a phd does, no? RT @theCMEguy: T2: Can you "teach" someone to be open & skeptical if they r not geared that way #cmechat

rmtyner               I totally agree! #CMEchat RT @spelletier: t2 more cred goes to those who can back up what they say with links… (cont) t.co/vZQ7cvk2

theCMEguy        T2: Can you "teach" someone to be open & skeptical if they are not already geared that way #cmechat

spelletier             t2 more cred goes to those who can back up what they say with links, further info/data, not just bloviate in 140 chars #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T2 - so @meducate is now suggesting we assess the credibility of the crowds as the first step....logical, but different challenges. #CMEchat

ChargeAheadMktg          T2: effectively train them on aspects of evaluating reputation & cred., along w/ training them on using #SoMe itself. #cmechat

DrMez  #CMEchat Ramez here for Los Angeles. Academic medicine fellow. Interested in GME and CME.

theCMEguy        T2: Learn from experience. Read the reactions of others to data / new info. Compare 2 own beliefs #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T2 - critical thinking might be at the root of the credibility & reputation question...we need to create meta-cognitive dissonance? #CMEchat

ChargeAheadMktg          RT @spelletier: @meducate tho wisdom of crowd can be unwise. Was in online grp whose leader discounted anyone w/ diff opinion. Discredited cred ppl #cmechat

spelletier             t1 personality of grp leaders can be key 2 who's credible and who's not on a SoMe channel #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @spelletier - that is exactly what I mean...tougher to earn credibility in my eyes in virtual spaces... #cmechat

meducate           @BrianSMcGowan #cmechat The wisdom could be either right or wrong - need to assess their rationale

theCMEguy        Bingo RT @BrianSMcGowan: funny, i tend to be leery of that very thing...RT @meducate: #cmechat

spelletier             @meducate tho wisdom of crowd can be unwise. Was in online grp whose leader discounted anyone w/ diff opinion. Discredited cred ppl #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              funny, i tend to be leery of that very thing...RT @meducate: #cmechat The Wisdom of the Crowds helps me to decide about credibility

theCMEguy        @meducate I don't know...sometimes find myself not agreeing w/ the conventional wisdom #cmechat

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan but is the bar really higher? I'm more skeptical of SoMe than IRL, takes more to prove cred without face time #cmechat

CMEChat             T2 - SoMe & CME require new skills for critical thinking – how can we teach learners 2 be open 2 but skeptical of new info.? #CMEchat

meducate           @BrianSMcGowan #cmechat The Wisdom of the Crowds helps me to decide about credibility

theCMEguy        Makes sense... RT @katellington: T1 evidence of  rigor, public discourse, and evaluation improve credibility with #SoMe #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              seems even tougher on SoMe...higher bar...RT @spelletier:  t1 so it's a concern just as much IRL as it is in SoMe? Differences? #cmechat

katellington        T1 evidence of  rigor, public discourse, and evaluation improve credibility with #SoMe #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              t1 - i pay attention to the credit and attributions that folks give...those that are most giving of attribution seem to get 'it' #CMEchat

ChargeAheadMktg          T1: reputation can also be relevant term, ie. big fish to small pond. Ur rep & cred is whatever your network says it is. #cmechat

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan t1 so it's a concern just as much IRL as it is in SoMe? Differences? #cmechat

meducate           Wait, so i shouldn't RT myself? RT @BrianSMcGowan: t1 - I have grave concern w/ self-promotion (Guru's). #CMEchat

spelletier             Exactly. RT @theCMEguy: T1: Problem with Klout, etc is that there r def ways to milk the system. #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t1 - i also have concern that folks may be less than critical of assessing reputation IRL too...this too would then carryover. #CMEchat

DownstateCME                agree..RT @spelletier: @meducate t1 it isnt about followers/following for me, either. Sme with no followers jst havent bn found yet #cmechat

theCMEguy        Agree. Profile is telling. RT @BrianSMcGowan: t1 - I have grave concern w/ self-promotion (Guru's). #CMEchat

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan but self-promoters are awfully obvious usually (unless they're really good. Then they have something worth promo) #cmechat

theCMEguy        T1: Problem with Klout, etc is that there r def ways to milk the system. Just cuz u tweet or blog alot doesn't mean u have cred #cmechat

ChargeAheadMktg          @spelletier good pt there will always be newbies who arent found yet. yet network size is def is a bell of reputation/influence. #cmechat

DownstateCME                T1: it's engagement and what you have to bring to the conversation #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              please elaborate. RT @katellington: @CMEChat T1 Research, dissmenation and evaluation make a difference in #SoMe and CME #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              t1 - I have grave concern w/ self-promotion (Guru's). #CMEchat

spelletier             @meducate t1 it isn't about followers/following for me, either. Some with no followers just haven't been found yet #cmechat

ChargeAheadMktg          T1: reputation estab using personal engagement, quality of knowledge shared. eval of reputation can def be subjective, varies. #cmechat

theCMEguy        T1: starts w/ previous rep, recs of others.  But rep is established by what you do. Are you one and done or do you maintain? #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t1 - w/o body language, intonation and in < 140 characters it is tough....but over times contributions = reputation = credibility #CMEchat

meducate           #CMEchat T1 It certainly isn't related to followers or following. Or the ratio between them

katellington        @CMEChat T1 Research, dissmenation and evaluation make a difference in #SoMe and CME #CMEchat

spelletier             T1 I don't trust Klout. For me it is seeing what they say—regular, intelligent interactions build cred #cmechat

mathena123       #CMEchat registration and accreditation? Afternoon from London.

ChargeAheadMktg          t1: lol was also gonna say Klout, altho you have to recognize its limitations/nuances #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              naturally. this should have some carryover. RT @spelletier: T1 is a good question. Many already have cred IRL they bring to SoMe #cmechat

rmtyner               T1 for me it is current reputation - who else follows them that i know #CMEchat

gullapalli09          "Venkat in Jersey City here.  Looking forward to the chat.  #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T1 - seems like everbody is on their own to assess credibility - perhaps a systems like klout and others might help (or hurt) #CMEchat

theCMEguy        T1: With Klout of course! #sarcasm #cmechat

spelletier             T1 is a good question. Many already have cred IRL they bring to SoMe #cmechat

meducate           @theCMEguy @rmtyner #cmechat yeah post-election drag...not

BrianSMcGowan              RT @CMEChat: T1 - SoMe & CME require new skills 4 assessing credibility & reputation. how is this currently established w/i SoMe? #CMEchat

meducate           @theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan #4ECF I really want to bring everyone into the discussion! #cmechat

theCMEguy        Yeah, that's it... RT @rmtyner: Must be the overstimulation from election day #CMEchat

CMEChat             T1 - Social Media & CME require new skills 4 assessing credibility & reputation. how is reputation currently established w/i SoMe? #CMEchat

rmtyner               Must be the overstimulation from election day RT @BrianSMcGowan: Hello to Derek and Michelle and Sue - slow arriving crowd today...#CMEchat

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan There may be folks who are lurking and listening #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              could be...but it is never to nice to learn...RT @theCMEguy: @BrianSMcGowan Maybe the weather is TOO nice... #cmechat

DownstateCME                Edeline fm Brooklyn, great topic today #cmechat

theCMEguy        @BrianSMcGowan Maybe the weather is TOO nice... #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              Hello to Derek and Michelle and Sue - slow arriving crowd today...#CMEchat

theCMEguy        Come w/ Q's abt Euro CME RT @BrianSMcGowan: global unsession being run by @meducate this FRIDAY 9AMET using #4ECF details 2 follow. #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              The success of SoMe & CME is dependent on sharing - today we will discuss skills learners need for online sharing/social learning! #CMEchat

spelletier             Sue in Mass is here, happy to have power & Internet again post nor'easter! Will b dropping in and out-have to get magazine out 2day #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              Also please feel free to participate in the global unsession being run by @meducate this FRIDAY 9AMET using #4ECF details 2 follow. #CMEchat

rmtyner               Michelle in Indiana! Always looking for inspiration #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              we will take some time for folks to arrive and introduce themselves - #CMEchat

theCMEguy        Derek in Exton, PA. Multitasking today but will participate as I'm able. #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              hope all is well - stimulating topic today - and beautiful weather here in the northeast US. Brian here moderating #CMEchat

CMEChat             As with each #CMEchat the archive will be available at t.co/nOLVEvIB and archived as a pdf on www.CMEadvocate.com

CMEChat             As with each #CMEchat we will guide the convo with 3 or 4 topics, but the real learning and teaching lies in your tweets - please engage.

CMEChat             Rule 7. A few mins before the end of #CMEchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too - #makingfriends

CMEChat             Rule 6. On #CMEchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really. Seriously. #laughingislearning

CMEChat             Rule 5. Periodically RT questions so those outside #CMEchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too

CMEChat             Rule 4. Please remember to use the #CMEchat hashtag so all of the #CMEchat participants can follow the #CMEchat discussion!!!!

CMEChat             Rule 3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #CMEchat

CMEChat             Rule 2. [try to] stay on the #CMEchat topic. A new question will be asked every 12 min or so. If you can, include T# in related responses.

BrianSMcGowan              Rules for #CMEchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here today?

CMEChat             Rules for #CMEchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here today?

BrianSMcGowan              Welcome to #CMEchat. All discussions herein are assumed to be personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.

CMEChat             Welcome to #CMEchat. All discussions herein are assumed to be personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.

spelletier             #CMEchat starting any sec—talking about new & emerging skills Docs need to get the most of social learning #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              First time moderating #CMEchat from the new computer w/ the large screen monitor with a Pandora soundtrack - 5 mins and counting.

BrianSMcGowan              15 mins until #CMEchat. This wk we discuss the new & emerging skills Docs need to get the most of social learning #CMEchat



 

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