#CMEchat - Credibility, content/context, and control in online CME
The topics for the week were as follows:
-
T1 – what are the similarities/differences or pros/cons b/w live, face-2-face CME & eLearning (get the juices flowing) #CMEchat
The transcript can be reviewed below or downloaded HERE:
From User Tweet
GrantsMeister #TOTD T2 - Credibility of eCME was the most consistent themes in the Young study. How can the credibility of the eCME be optimized? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Wonderful chat today: wonderful paper to review, and friendly, helpful discussion (complete with learning) with all. #CMEchat
spelletier eCME appeal in a nutshell! RT @DavidPaulNoble T5 do more things online = save time, limit stress, reduce CO2 emissions & have life! #cmechat
theCMEguy Me too... RT @spelletier: I keep forgetting about G+! Haven't been there in ages #cmechat
rmtyner Great chat! Thanks to @BrianSMcGowan for moderating #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan For those interested in such things...i recommend you participate in @bjfogg's 3 tiny habits project: t.co/421BD323 #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble T5 do more things online = save time, limit stress, reduce CO2 emissions (by not going 2 pointless mtgs) & therefore have a life! #CMEchat
spelletier @theCMEguy I keep forgetting about G+! Haven't been there in ages #cmechat
CMEChat The real impact of the #CMEchat lies in your action - engage others to participate & please take action on things your have learned! G’day!
CMEChat As we get wrap up, please vote for the tweet of the day (#TOTD) seen during this week's #CMEchat.
spelletier T5 to make as many of the #CMEchats as possible, learn from y'all, and start spread yr gr8 ideas far/wide (hey, a girl can dream) #cmechat
jjuch T5: to set aside a block of time on my calendar regularly to devote time to my own prof development #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan Thx for participating in #CMEchat. Discussions herein are assumed 2 b personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.
theCMEguy T5: I am going to give G+ another go. Starting to see the value of circles... #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor NY resolution: don't stop thinking about tomorrow. t.co/Qm7iO8cu #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @BrianSMcGowan Re: ivory towers - I wanted to say "lol" but we don't do that on Twitter! #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t5 - my only resolution (and the only thing i think about right now) is to write the book on open, connected, and social healthcare #CMEchat
rmtyner T5 build the science of CME - seems like a great complement to my doctoral research! #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor I have started doing a few eCME sessions giving 15 min credit. These are great! #CMEchat
rmtyner TOTD RT @BrianSMcGowan: @MedPedsDoctor - i should tell you about the cocktail napkin EMR I built in 2007 ;-) #CMEchat
CMEChat T5- As we begin to wrap up, what is your ‘professional new year’s resolution? What will you learn? What will you do? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan if they were ivory...RT @DavidPaulNoble: RT @BrianSMcGowan: accreditation #doh #CMEchat <- only because "ivory towers" said so!
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - i should tell you about the cocktail napkin EMR I built in 2007 ;-) #CMEchat
spelletier Good question. RT @DavidPaulNoble: T4, research has been done into optimal duration of eCME surely? Where did 40-50mins come from? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @DavidPaulNoble - accreditation #doh #CMEchat
jjuch RT @DavidPaulNoble: "T4, 40-50mins" Seems long to me as well. #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble RT @GrantsMeister: T4 doesn't a lecturer have great control over pace and depth of lecture? #CMEchat <- isn't that part of the problem?
BrianSMcGowan @spelletier - perhaps this is a topic for a subsequent #cmechat - how to give learners control of live f2f education?
MedPedsDoctor I wonder how many EMRs, when a pop-up reminder to do something (eg, give DVT proph) currently have evidence embedded w link 2 artic #CMEchat
YogAlicia3 #cmechat T4 @GrantsMeister Not if they treat it as a lecture...
DavidPaulNoble T4, some research has been done into optimal duration of eCME surely? Where did 40-50mins come from? Sounds arbitrary. #CMEchat
GrantsMeister @BrianSMcGowan Aha got it, thanks #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor I love the off-shoot learning from the MKSAP & PREP board review materials: can link to direct articles. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan #outsidethebox! RT @spelletier: t4 how can we take that learner-directed aspect of eCME to live activities? #cmechat
spelletier Shouldn't f2f do the same? RT @BrianSMcGowan: t4 - eCME should allow for curation and off-shoot learning to other resources #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @GrantsMeister - but this is about the learner's ability to regain control...repeat, ffwd, slow...to thier brain's delight! #CMEchat
GrantsMeister T4 doesn't a lecturer have great control over pace and depth of lecture? #CMEchat
spelletier t4 how can we take that learner-directed aspect of eCME to live activities? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t4 - eCME should allow for curation and off-shoot learning to other resources...not 'adaptive' but 'adaptable' ...very different #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor What I liked best about this paper: Paraphrase: "don't exclude F2F CME options just to have eCME. Need both". #CMEchat
GrantsMeister T4 not sure how control over pace and depth is different online veruss f2f? #CMEchat
spelletier Yes! This is what eCME does well RT @MedPedsDoctor: T4. Pace and depth: depends on the LEARNER, not the teacher. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t4 - pace and depth is one thing, but still need to rethink the 50 minute sessions...need to design for better retention. #CMEchat
laurenero our spacedEd online activities are VERY popular, especially with younger docs #CMEchat
spelletier @rmtyner maybe we do, but we have to deal with learners' expectations as they are. What @BrianSMcGowan just said re interactivity #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble T4, pace, depth AND duration (latter a turn off if too long?) #CMEchat
rmtyner if you want to create a Q&A session with eCME - set expectation early with faculty and learners - faculty don't answer every Q F2F #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - several have explored the neuroscience of new technology...no evidence to support it. Plus wld it be bad? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor T4. Pace and depth: depends on the LEARNER, not the teacher. eCME should have things embedded depending on what learner answers #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble RT @GrantsMeister: T3 invite Brice Kerfoot 2 lead CME chat nxt month, let's C how many ppl remember 2 set aside 11 am EST #CMEchat <- Who?
BrianSMcGowan +1 RT @GrantsMeister: T3 invite Brice Kerfoot to lead chat next month, let's see how many people remember to set aside 11 am EST #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t3 - problem w/ the promise of interactivity is that you CAN overpromise & underdeliver...especially w/current 'faculty' model #CMEchat
spelletier t4 seems like pace and depth is something eCME is doing right #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor T3. Ponder this: Have tweetchats created new symptoms of Adult ADHD w multi-tasking? #CMEchat
GrantsMeister T3 invite Brice Kerfoot to lead CME chat next month, let's see how many people remember to set aside 11 am EST #CMEchat
rmtyner do we make too many assumptions in an instantaneous world?? #CMEchat
CMEChat T4 - Control over the pace and depth and learning was a key positive of eCME. How can this be leveraged to enhance learning? #CMEchat
spelletier @rmtyner depends on expectations, right? If I expect (due to other online interactions) a quick answer, frustration is high #cmechat
YogAlicia3 #cmechat @MedPedsDoctor Most prob would say didn't want to hear about topic or from faculty -> needs and credibility issues
BrianSMcGowan i'll get back to u on that. RT @spelletier: is anything more frustrating than waiting a week for answer to yr question? #cmechat
GrantsMeister T3 the discussion we're having now seems pretty interactive, perhaps tweet chats will catch on more widely #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor @spelletier Only thing more frustrating is waiting months to know if one passed Boards! #CMEchat
rmtyner @spelletier better than no answer at all?? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t3 - have faculty lead the engagement...at least to get it started...blend the traditional 'teaching' role w/ chat facilitation.. #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Not accusative; just stating what I've seen MT @DavidPaulNoble: @MedPedsDoctor I hope I came across as rhetorical & not accusative #CMEchat
jjuch RT @BrianSMcGowan: made emails of faculty available to online learners—great solution but faculty could be overwhelmed/time commit #cmechat
rmtyner @BrianSMcGowan any interactivity is better than none at all #CMEchat
spelletier re asynchronous interactivity-is anything more frustrating than waiting a week for answer to yr question? #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor I will say that from a GME perspective, that asynchronous learning is growing every day: duty hours dictated a new paradigm #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @MedPedsDoctor I hope I came across as rhetorical and not accusative! #CMEchat
reginamotarjeme Agreed! RT @rmtyner: interactivity enhances learner motivation #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan in the 2005 fordis paper they made emails of faculty available to online learners....do what you can...asynchronous interactivity? #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble RT @MedPedsDoctor: @DavidPaulNoble It is not for me, but I am sure that some would look at it that way (unfortunately). #CMEchat
rmtyner interactivity enhances learner motivation #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble RT @spelletier: credible=for credit?? Say it ain't so (but may be for some learners). #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor @DavidPaulNoble It is not for me, but I am sure that some would look at it that way (unfortunately). #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan #totd RT @MedPedsDoctor: I wonder how many people thought I was "distracted" earlier today when tweeting GrRounds. I wasn't! #CMEchat
reginamotarjeme thisis what we do and learners love it RT @laurenero: build learning communities for online activities with the faculty monitoring. #CMEchat
GrantsMeister @BrianSMcGowan How about credibility of needs assessments? Sometimes they seem like window dressing #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble RT @MedPedsDoctor: . @davidPaulNoble The reasons 4 y difft docs choose 2 even "do" CME is as varied as cn B. #CMEchat <- just abt points?
laurenero @YogAlicia3 that happens in live activities as well as online. #CMEchat #CMEchat
jjuch T3: discussion a real challenge w eCME. One of advantages is you can do it at your convenience; need asynchronous discussion format #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t3 - this group has chewed on this one b4. interactivity is the hallmark of feedback - my favorite #adultlearningprinciple #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor @YogAlicia3 Yeah, I wonder how many people thought I was "distracted" earlier today when tweeting GrRounds. I wasn't! #CMEchat
spelletier I do. RT @BrianSMcGowan: t2 - who thinks credibility of programs deserves a #CMEchat all of its own...perhaps next week? #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble RT @BrianSMcGowan: t2 - who thinks credibility of programs deserves a #CMEchat all of its own...perhaps next week? <- most certainly!
MedPedsDoctor . @davidPaulNoble The reasons for why different docs choose to even "do" CME is as varied as can be. #CMEchat
rmtyner Agree RT @BrianSMcGowan: t2 - who thinks credibility of programs deserves a #CMEchat all of its own...perhaps next week? #CMEchat
laurenero build learning communities for online activities with the faculty monitoring/responding to posts for some period of time. #CMEchat
rmtyner T3 more than a talking head on the monitor?? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - who thinks credibility of programs deserves a #CMEchat all of its own...perhaps next week?
spelletier credible=for credit?? Say it ain't so (but may be for some learners). #cmechat
jjuch @YogAlicia3: #cmechat T2 Much credibility gained when learners realize wll address their gaps&needs Challenge is getting them there #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble @BrianSMcGowan Surely you'd only pick a program of benefit for credits? Too idealistic? #CMEchat
reginamotarjeme Regina from Denver, sorry had to reboot, catching up, Happy 2012! #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor @DavidPaulNoble To get the requisite number of hours required by hospital/state/reg. agency #CMEchat
CMEChat T3 – A need for 'discussion about content' emerged as a key negative of eCME. How can the interactivity of the eCME be optimized? #CMEchat
spelletier @MedPedsDoctor also agree with @YogAlicia3. My question is how to gain that cred pre-activity (so they show up)? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan need the credit? ;-) RT @DavidPaulNoble: @MedPedsDoctor If you didnt know you had some gaps why would you use the program? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan need the credit? ;-) RT @DavidPaulNoble: @MedPedsDoctor If you didnt know you had some gaps why would you use the program? #CMEchat
rmtyner i think we need to understand why learners choose the activities... do they look at the LOs and gaps?? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - so credible eCME establishes a setting in which the learner sees as relevant to their context (& perceived needs) #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @MedPedsDoctor If you didnt know you had some gaps why would you use the program? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Agree with @YogAlicia3 , but have a side comment. How many really even understand what their gaps even are? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - perhaps best to focus on the content for this discussion...@YogAlicia3 seems to be on the right path...#CMEchat
GrantsMeister T2...in journalism, credibility comes from financial independence #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble T2 Accreditation = Credibility? many of you know my views on that! #CMEchat
jjuch @MedPedsDoctor how often does the learner have 14 windows open , doing "other things"? Agree Often hapens 2me w #CMEchat #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor @laurenero Good point. Define "prestigious". Is it USNWR rankings?? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan #TOTD RT @YogAlicia3: #cmechat T2 Much credibility to b gained in first few moments when learners realize will address their gaps and needs.
BrianSMcGowan @DavidPaulNoble - only in as much as it may affect the credibility of the programs in the eyes of some learners...no editorial ;-) #CMEchat
YogAlicia3 #cmechat T2 Much credibility to be gained in first few moments when learners realize will address their gaps and needs.
MedPedsDoctor T2. Credibility is an excellent discussion point. Means diff things to diff people. To some, disclosure of nothing vs something #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - internal and external sources of credibility...modifiable and non-modifiable sources too ;-) #CMEchat
laurenero @BrianSMcGowan collaborating with other/prestigious organizations? #CMEchat #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @BrianSMcGowan T2 - are you rasing the inevitable issue of pharma funding of CME and other sponsored Med Ed?! #CMEchat
spelletier @MedPedsDoctor nice analogy! Also works for difference between live and on-demand online activity #cmechat
GrantsMeister T2...interesting....credibility is also foundation of good journalism...#CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - heath brothers in 'Made to Stick' have a great chapter on Credibility - could be a book in and of itself...#CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor @BrianSMcGowan I like the big red bird the best! #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - credibility to some may be as simple as funding source...is there a way to 'overcome' this w/i the context of a eCME program? #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble RT @spelletier: t2 are cred challenges different for online and f2f? If so, why? #cmechat<- yes,high profile faculty easier to "sell" online
GrantsMeister t2 agreed, credibility in CME is crucial. Hence the emphasis on faculty selection. #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor F2F vs. e-learning: analogous to being on Tweetchat live versus reading the transcript. Each is different #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - what did you say, I was distracted by some angry birds? #CMEchat
YogAlicia3 #cmechat Alicia here...lurking from PHL over cinnamon scones. Happy new year, all!!
DavidPaulNoble @BrianSMcGowan Indeed! I reflect on the "old" remote teaching techniques sometimes and see that not much has really changed! #CMEchat
spelletier t2 are cred challenges different for online and f2f? If so, why? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - i assume that credibility is about the website, the mission, the funding, the objectives...any other thoughts? #CMEchat
GrantsMeister @CMEChat Thanks for this reference, very interesting! #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Online learning can be very engaging, but how often does the learner have 14 windows open on the computer, doing "other things"? #CMEchat
jjuch "John Juchniewicz from American Academy of CME joining late
#cmechat"
BrianSMcGowan @DavidPaulNoble - the #irony is that with new video teleconferencing technologies anything anywhere can B 'face-2-face' #CMEchat
spelletier t2 need background—what are cred challenges with online cme? #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble RT @spelletier: t2 faculty has to be key to cred, whether online or f2f, right? #cmechat <- agree, cred of faculty is key driver to uptake
BrianSMcGowan t2 - credibility can be addressed directly or just wait until familiarity evolves and see if it changes...I wld prefer the former. #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @BrianSMcGowan I pioneered tele-teaching OF surgery with RCS in 80's. Even then it was a great blend of f2f and distance learning. #CMEchat
spelletier t2 faculty has to be key to cred, whether online or f2f, right? #cmechat
spelletier @BrianSMcGowan hmm, if they learn equally. Not sure that's true. But e-learning is getting more popular b/c of time/cost benefits #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor T1. Engagement is a two-way street. One can be more engaged in a F2F CME session, if one chooses to be engaged. #CMEchat
CMEChat T2 - Credibility of eCME was the most consistent themes in the Young study. How can the credibility of the eCME be optimized? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan surely, but we have recent stories of tele-teaching surgeries too! RT @laurenero: teaching complex "hands on" skills is better F2F #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan and therefore learning-efficient perhaps? RT @spelletier: t1 e-learning more cost- and time-efficient for learners #cmechat
laurenero teaching complex "hands on" skills is better F2F #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan but different formats have different strengths/ease. RT @meducate: #CMEChat T1 Education in all forms share the same foundations.
rmtyner interactivity is all in the educational design - #CMEchat
spelletier t1 e-learning more cost- and time-efficient for learners #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Sorry I am late, CME friends. Last meeting ran over. I'm in! #CMEchat
rmtyner Welcome Lauren! RT @laurenero: Lauren here from Maryland. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t1- live f2f in a room of 1000 <<< interactive than some online <<< interactive than small groups sessions. so is it format? #CMEchat
rmtyner and more time away from the office for the learners MT @BrianSMcGowan: t1 - differences #CMEchat
laurenero Lauren here from Maryland. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t1 - differences (slightly off topic) but face to face takes more time energy and resources to implement...considering travels? #CMEchat
spelletier access to faculty/ability to get questions answered can differ, depending on whether e-learning is live or on demand #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble RT @meducate: #CMEChat T1 Education in all forms share the same foundations. <—- Hear hear!!
rmtyner T1 i think that eLearning causes learners to be more engaged in the learning process #CMEchat
GrantsMeister T1 so many more senses are involved in a live meeting — sight, sound, touch, even taste and smell. More sensory stimulation. #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble T1 - there is no reason that f2f and elearning cannot and should not work synergistically #CMEchat
spelletier T1 similarity=topics differences=live has personal interaction, more engaging usually than e-learning #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble t1 F2F reaches fewer participants than elearning. If by elearning we mean "true" online engagement then particpation can be high #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t1 - top 'pro' of live face-to-face is familiar, and feedback can be collected from non-verbal reactions and 'feeling' in the room. #CMEchat
GrantsMeister T1 live meetings have a serendipity social effect that's energizing and inspiring, almost impossible to duplicate online #CMEchat
rmtyner i think there are some challenges getting learners to interact with each other in an eLearning environment #CMEchat
rmtyner I am sure that more will join as the hour progresses! #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble Hi folks, Happy 2012 to you all! Joining from Cambridge, UK. #CMEchat
GrantsMeister So far so good with spaceded project except I think their marketing department needs to hire a medical writer ;) #CMEchat
CMEChat T1 – what are the similarities/differences or pros/cons b/w live, face-2-face CME & eLearning (get the juices flowing) #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Perhaps a small crowd today, but lets jump right into the topics for the day #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan How is everyone's spaceded project going? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan What's new? ;-) RT @rmtyner: Happy New Year and good morning - Michelle from chilly Indiana #CMEchat
theCMEguy Hi all, a little distracted today so will probably be popping in and out... #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @meducate - no ;-) #CMEChat
rmtyner Happy New Year and good morning - Michelle from chilly Indiana #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan If you get a chance to go back and check out some resources I have shared in the past 30 minutes...good stuff for eLearning. #CMEchat
GrantsMeister Hi it's Don (Grantsmeister) in Downingtown. Eager to compare notes on Qstream, stay up to date on CME today. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan HAPPY NEW YEAR - to the #CMEchat gang...Brian here, hoping for a quick paced learning session today!
CMEChat As with each #CMEchat the archive will be available at t.co/nOLVEvIB and archived as a pdf on www.CMEadvocate.com
CMEChat As with each #CMEchat we will guide the convo with 3 or 4 topics, but the real learning and teaching lies in your tweets - please engage.
CMEChat Rule 7. A few mins before the end of #CMEchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too - #makingfriends
CMEChat Rule 6. On #CMEchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really. Seriously. #laughingislearning
CMEChat Rule 5. Periodically RT questions so those outside #CMEchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too
CMEChat Rule 4. Please remember to use the #CMEchat hashtag so all of the #CMEchat participants can follow the #CMEchat discussion!!!!
CMEChat Rule 3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #CMEchat
CMEChat Rule 2. [try to] stay on the #CMEchat topic. A new question will be asked every 12 min or so. If you can, include T# in related responses.
CMEChat Rules for #CMEchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here today?
CMEChat Welcome to #CMEchat. All discussions herein are assumed to be personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.
BrianSMcGowan Sargeant (2004) Fordis (2005) Casebeer (2008) and Young (2011) - should be shaping the planning and implementation of eCME #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Interactive on-line continuing medical education: physicians' perceptions and experiences t.co/6zSiBEvK #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan so we don't appear to have good data on live web-based learning vs live face-2-face; or any data on web2.0-based online learning. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan A controlled trial of the effectiveness of internet continuing medical education t.co/Cu3yX0Oi #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Comparison of the Instructional Efficacy of Internet-Based CME With Live Interactive CME Workshops [2005] t.co/LM7bXb25 #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan 90 mins until #CMEchat this week: online CME credibility, content/context, and control. please join us.
Comments